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Thursday, January 10, 2019

The Mystery of the 7 Churches of Asia Minor

The Mystery of the Seven Churches of Asia Minor in the Book of Revelation (Apocalypse) in the Bible: Thyatira the 4th and middle church representing the Roman Catholic Church in the middle ages.


The city of Thyatira was known for it's trade guilds. And similarly it was in Western Europe in the Middle Ages. The Black Death was reportedly spread through Genoa at first and then Venice and Pisa.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As9A4JWv4uM




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyatira

The Jezebel of the Old Testament was the daughter of the Zidonian king:

[1 Kings 16:31 KJV]
And it came to pass, as if it had been a light thing for him to walk in the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, that he took to wife Jezebel the daughter of Ethbaal king of the Zidonians, and went and served Baal, and worshipped him.

Ethbaal was a merchant king of Zidon, Phoenicia. And Jesus naming the woman of Thyatira Jezebel seems to fit well considering Thyatira was a place of trade guilds. The trade guilds which developed in the Middle Ages were Venice, Genoa, Pisa, Amalfi and perhaps others as well. And the Black Death came in through these trade guilds in Europe.

[Revelation 2:23 KJV]
And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death#:~:text=The%20Black%20Death%20was%20a,pestis%20and%20spread%20by%20fleas.

And could it be that the plague was spread due to the slave trade?





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feodosia#Kaffa_(Genoese_colony)

And western Europe was the realm of the Papacy which claims to be the Vicar (meaning replacement/ambassador) of the Son of God. And within the letter to Thyatira Jesus identifies himself as the Son of God himself talking to the church:

[Revelation 2:18 KJV]
And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet [are] like fine brass;

The narrative of fornication, plague and death fits well with:

[2 Chronicles 21:11 KJV]
Moreover he made high places in the mountains of Judah, and caused the inhabitants of Jerusalem to commit fornication, and compelled Judah [thereto].

[2 Chronicles 21:12 KJV]
And there came a writing to him from Elijah the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah,

[2 Chronicles 21:13 KJV]
But hast walked in the way of the kings of Israel, and hast made Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to go a whoring, like to the whoredoms of the house of Ahab, and also hast slain thy brethren of thy father's house, [which were] better than thyself:

[2 Chronicles 21:14 KJV]
Behold, with a great plague will the LORD smite thy people, and thy children, and thy wives, and all thy goods:

[2 Chronicles 21:15 KJV]
And thou [shalt have] great sickness by disease of thy bowels, until thy bowels fall out by reason of the sickness day by day.

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I feel more persuaded that the Jezebel mentioned in Revelation 2 represents the spirit guiding the Catholic Church through dreams and visions by the name of Mary the mother of Jesus.

Ignatius of Loyola a Basque nobleman has multiple visions of Mary. He at first a member of the Alumbrados founds the Company of Mary and then changes it’s name to the Society of Jesus also known as the Jesuits.

Even Joan of Arc, during the 100 years war claimed to be guided by Mary in the late middle ages:


They are guided by this spirit called Mary. Jezebel in Thyatira (falsely) claimed herself to be a prophetess and misguided her followers and their end was death. God killed them.

Through these dreams and visions of Mary Roman Catholic teachers claim that if people don’t join the Roman Church there would be (as they prophesy) destructions:

Revelation 2:18-29 (KJV) 

18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet [are] like fine brass; 

19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last [to be] more than the first. 

20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 

21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 

22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 

23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 

24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 

25 But that which ye have [already] hold fast till I come. 

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 

28 And I will give him the morning star. 

29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Gary Wayne Discusses the Jesuits on Jim Duke Perspective channel:


Published on Jan 14, 2018
Source:

Researcher and author Gary Wayne joins us in discussion about the Secret Society known as the Jesuits. The Jesuits came on the scene in 1534 as the next Crusaders for the Roman Church. Who are they and how much power do they hold? Did they start the other Secret Societies as a front as some may think? Gary will answer many of these questions, and a whole lot more.

Gary Wayne's website is www.Genesis6Conspiracy.com

Revelation 2:22-23 (KJV)

22 (KJV) Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Revelation 17:1-2 (KJV) 

1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 

2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

And this confirms that Judah in Jeremiah's time was seduced by the spirit of Jezebel as the Catholic Church promotes today:

Jeremiah 7:18 (KJV)

The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead [their] dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

Jeremiah 44:17 (KJV)
But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for [then] had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

Jeremiah 44:18 (KJV)
But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all [things], and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

Jeremiah 44:19 (KJV)
And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

Jeremiah 44:25 (KJV)

Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.

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In case you missed the rest of this thread:

I did a lot of thinking and research. This is what motivated me to confirm Thyatira of Revelation 2 to represent the Roman Catholic Church. 

First the allegorical Jezebel claims to be a prophetess. While the Latin version in Revelation 2 mentions propheten:

Vulgate (Latin): Revelation Chapter 2
18 Et angelo Thyatiræ ecclesiæ scribe: Hæc dicit Filius Dei, qui habet oculos tamquam flammam ignis, et pedes ejus similes auricalco:

19 Novi opera tua, et fidem, et caritatem tuam, et ministerium, et patientiam tuam, et opera tua novissima plura prioribus.

20 Sed habeo adversus te pauca: quia permittis mulierem Jezabel, quæ se dicit propheten, docere, et seducere servos meos, fornicari, et manducare de idolothytis.

21 Et dedi illi tempus ut pœnitentiam ageret: et non vult pœnitere a fornicatione sua.

22 Ecce mittam eam in lectum: et qui mœchantur cum ea, in tribulatione maxima erunt, nisi pœnitentiam ab operibus suis egerint.

23 Et filios ejus interficiam in morte, et scient omnes ecclesiæ, quia ego sum scrutans renes, et corda: et dabo unicuique vestrum secundum opera sua. Vobis autem dico,

24 et ceteris qui Thyatiræ estis: quicumque non habent doctrinam hanc, et qui non cognoverunt altitudines Satanæ, quemadmodum dicunt, non mittam super vos aliud pondus:

25 tamen id quod habetis, tenete donec veniam.

26 Et qui vicerit, et custodierit usque in finem opera mea, dabo illi potestatem super gentes,

27 et reget eas in virga ferrea, et tamquam vas figuli confringentur,

28 sicut et ego accepi a Patre meo: et dabo illi stellam matutinam.

29 Qui habet aurem, audiat quid Spiritus dicat ecclesiis.

The Latin Vulgate of Nehemiah mentions the word vaticians (related to Vatican) meaning prophecy:

Nehemiah 6
12 Et intellexi quod Deus non misisset eum, sed quasi vaticinans locutus esset ad me, et Tobias et Sanaballat conduxissent eum.

Neh 6:12 And, lo, I perceived that God had not sent him; but that he pronounced this prophecy against me: for Tobiah and Sanballat had hired him.

Notice the context of Nehemiah. This prophecy is not from God. Whereas Nehemiah came to build the Temple which represents the Body of Christ, the church the local ruler made a prophecy against him. So the native ruler symbolizes the Papacy. And Nehemiah symbolizes the  Reformation since he did reform certain things as well as they made a pulpit and Ezra was preaching from it until the Temple was finished. On the other hand the 16th-17th centuries were the periods St-Peters in the Vatican was being built which is a contrasting link to the 16th-17th epistles 1 and 2Peter. 1Peter mentions the building the spiritual temple whereas St-Peter is the antichrist’s replica. Satan comes as a roaring lion in the same epistle and Peter warns not to be lords over God’s heritage.

Coming back to Thyatira, God gave Jezebel a space to repent but she didn’t. And some in Thyatira knew the depth of Satan. 

Jezebel of Thyatira was always related to Revelation 16-18 and now I see why:

Revelation 2:22-23 (KJV) 

22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 

23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

And:

Revelation 17:12-18 (KJV) 

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful. 

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. 

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. 

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Revelation 18:3 (KJV) For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

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Justinian I re-conquered Rome in the 6th Century and Constantinople had authority over Rome. The Papacy, as far as I know was a patriarchate as Antioch, Alexandria, Jerusalem and Constantinople under the Emperor in the same latter city. But  in time their doctrines differed. Many Iconodules  (icon worshippers, or Iconophiles) fled to Rome from the 8th-9th centuries. Otherwise Constantine V forced monks to marry and had been harsher than his father Leo III the Isaurian. But they loved God and feared him. Constantine V was surnamed Copronymos (dung-named) by the Iconodules.

Notice that most of whom the epistles are written to or visited to did become part of Justinian I’s Byzantine empire. And Constantinople was the place for Christian learning whereas the north-western Europe was considered to be unlearned barbarians. But when Charlemagne became king of the Franks in the 8th century he embraced wisdom and became the Holy Roman emperor from the 9th century and on-wards.

As the east was declining the west was rising to power. And during the crusades there was a shift of power. This time the east was crying for help and the west at first came to their rescue. But after being angry at each other the west robbed the east.

Pergamos and Thyatira are overlapping. 

Notice as Jesus warned:

 Revelation 2:15-16 (KJV) 

15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. 

16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Notice that Islam became a threat from the start against Emperor Heraklios and Constantinople. But they repented in the 8th century under Leo III the Isaurian and his dynasty and then Leo V the Armenian reopened the Iconoclastic movement until the late 9th century.

But all the Orthodox countries, it seems either embraced Catholicism and got their independence (like a part of Hungary and Croatia as far as I know) or fell under the rule of Islam. The rulers thought of joining the west under the Papacy after the crusades to maintain their authority but the people, after the 4th crusade of the Latins taking over Constantinople chose to be under Turkish rule (better Turkish than Papist they claimed) just as the oriental churches chose to be under Parthian rule centuries earlier and the middle eastern churches like Antioch and Alexandria chose to be under Arab Muslim rule with a small taxation for being Christians. This is the nature of compromise called Pergamos (perverted marriage).

The Byzantine Rite fell under the domination of the Sword of Islam. God/Jesus always use the enemy against us when we don’t please him so that we would repent and seek his face. And only after that he would take our side against our enemies. 

It seems like all the Byzantine Rite fell under Islam with, perhaps the Russians. But they also had wars with the Turks, eventually. But the west hardly had any Muslim invasions except when Spain and northern Africa was under Byzantine rule.

But jumping to the Church of Philadelphia it says that the Synagogue (assembly) of Satan was at their feet. The Jesuits under the authority of Lord Baltimore, who was an Anglican converted to Catholicism allowed Protestants and Catholics to resettle in the colonies. And the declaration of independence was signed, I believe in the city they named Philadelphia.

I am curious, though, if there were Catholics and even Jesuits, how is it that the United States of America is considered to be a Protestant nation? Or wasn’t it?  

History is all patterned numerically in God’s design and his word the King James bible.

It seems to me that the Roman Catholic church had a period of a Golden Age just as the other Church ages. That was because Jesus did give her space to repent because they were barbarians at first and based on the limit of their knowledge and understanding they believed in God and Jesus Christ. But after the 15th century as Greek scholars migrated to the West and printing was established that was the time the Protestants gained momentum and God was on their side. And Sardis was warned to keep watching because Jesus might come as a thief in the night because not everyone who joined the Protestant nations were clean:

 Revelation 3:1-6 (KJV) 

1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. 

2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 

3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 

4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 

5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 

6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

But the point is that just as Sardis had overcomers Thuatira had overcomers as well which God granted (from the 9th century or even before that) to rule over the kings of the earth:

Revelation 2:26-29 (KJV) 

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 

28 And I will give him the morning star. 

29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

As i was studying the Greek words for rule, and comparing with 1Corinthians 9 it was the same word used as feedeth:

1 Corinthians 9:7 (KJV) Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?






Notice that this is the same word used as Jesus spoke to Peter in John 21 and Peter wrote in 1Peter to feed the flock:






As for the name Italia, it means (apparently) place of young cattle:

Etymology (Wikipedia)
The ultimate etymology of the name is uncertain, in spite of numerous suggestions. According to the most widely accepted explanation, Latin Italia may derive from Oscanvíteliú, meaning "[land] of young cattle" (c.f. Latvitulus "calf", Umbrian vitlu), via Greektransmission (evidenced in the loss of initial digamma). The bull was a symbol of the southern Italic tribes and was often depicted goring the Roman wolf as a defiant symbol of free Italy during the Social War. Greek historian Dionysius of Halicarnassus states this account together with the legend that Italy was named after Italus, mentioned also by Aristotle and Thucydides.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Italy

But those in Thyatira who didn’t overcome had children through mistresses like Pope Alexander VI Borgia whose children were either murdered or poisoned or died in sickness as did Cesare almost the same time as his father. And later the Farneses from Pope Paul III were given Parma and Castro but were rooted out by the Papal Barberinis and Pamphylis killing each other (during approximately the same period of the 30 years’ war 1618-1648):

Revelation 2:22-23 (KJV) 

22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 

23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

The letter to Thyatira does mention:

Revelation 2:24 (KJV) But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

Thyatira was the city where a purple fabric was made to be used in royal clothing. And the clergy, particularly the bishops use this color as clothing.









Lydia was the name of a woman from the city as mentioned in Acts 16 as well as the province to which Thyatira belonged to.

History (WikiPedia)

It was an ancient Greek city called "Pelopia" (Greek language: Πελοπία), and during the Hellenistic era, in 290 BC, it was named Thyateira (Θυάτειρα) by King Seleucus I Nicator. He was at war with Lysimachus when he learned that his wife had given birth to a daughter. According to Stephanus of Byzantium, he called this city "Thuateira" from Greek θυγατήρ, θυγατέρα (thugatēr, thugatera), meaning "daughter", although it is likely that it is an older, Lydian name.[1][2] In classical times, Thyatira stood on the border between Lydia and Mysia. During the Roman era, (1st century AD), it was famous for its dyeing facilities and was a center of the purple cloth trade.[3] Among the ancient ruins of the city, inscriptions have been found relating to the guild of dyers in the city. Indeed, more guilds are known in Thyatira than any other contemporary city in the Roman province of Asia (inscriptions mention the following: wool-workers, linen-workers, makers of outer garments, dyers, leather-workers, tanners, potters, bakers, slave-dealers, and bronze-smiths).[4]


In fact when a child was born in the palace in the Byzantine Empire, the eastern Roman Empire, he is called Porphyrogennetos or Porphyrogenitus meaning purple-born. And such were called from Constantine VII, born in the beginning of the 10th century and onward.



Even though to Peter was given the key to the kingdom in Matthew 16 but it also mentioned in Peter’s next phrase that he was empowered by Satan. So his first statement was a profession of faith by the Holy Ghost but the second phrase was inspired by Satan we can’t admit to one without denying the other:

Matthew 16:13-28 (KJV) 

13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 

14 And they said, Some [say that thou art] John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 

20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. 

21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. 

22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. 

24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 

25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. 

26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 

27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 

28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

This is part of a bigger study on the Biblewheel pattern. Matthew 16 relates to the 16th Epistle 1Peter:

1 Peter 2:4-6 (KJV) 

4 To whom coming, [as unto] a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, [and] precious, 

5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 

6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

And also allegorically related to Nehemiah the 16th book and Zechariah the 16th prophetic book from Isaiah (Nehemiah/Zechariah/1Peter are on the 16th spoke of the Biblewheel):

Nehemiah 2:5 (KJV) And I said unto the king, If it please the king, and if thy servant have found favour in thy sight, that thou wouldest send me unto Judah, unto the city of my fathers' sepulchres, that I may build it.

Nehemiah 2:17 (KJV) Then said I unto them, Ye see the distress that we [are] in, how Jerusalem [lieth] waste, and the gates thereof are burned with fire: come, and let us build up the wall of Jerusalem, that we be no more a reproach.

Nehemiah 6:10 (KJV)
Afterward I came unto the house of Shemaiah the son of Delaiah the son of Mehetabeel, who [was] shut up; and he said, Let us meet together in the house of God, within the temple, and let us shut the doors of the temple: for they will come to slay thee; yea, in the night will they come to slay thee.

Nehemiah 6:11 (KJV)
And I said, Should such a man as I flee? and who [is there], that, [being] as I [am], would go into the temple to save his life? I will not go in.

Zechariah 3:9 (KJV)
For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone [shall be] seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.


It’s okay. You don’t have to agree with me but please do your own research on the subject. 

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The Maccabean Uprising’s Catholic perspective

The Maccabean Uprising has a very informative channel from the Catholic perspective also teaching the Bible to have a prophetic narrative, in other words associating the Old Testament chronology to the New Testament (referring to the present) era. It does differ from the Biblewheel pattern (the Bible is the book which includes some history along with how God deals with every situation whereas one can read history outside of the Bible in more detailed manner but fail to see the hand God). Even though I don’t agree on the Sacraments, Rosary to name a few, I do understand his perspective on the politics in Rome:


It’s quite informative. The theory of joining Revelation 12 to 17 is an interesting one because the woman in 12 is left in the wilderness and the woman (whore if Babylon) in 17 is found in the wilderness.

The council of ten including Francis is interesting. I find that the name Francis or Frank is often associated with the number 8 such as Charles Martel of the Franks withstood the Muslims in the 8th century. And Charlemagne his descendant became king of the Franks until the 9th century and eventually the Holy Roman Emperor. 

Both Charles and Francis mean free but come from a different language.

And consider John 8 and Romans 8 on the subject of freedom:

John 8:32 (KJV)
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

John 8:33 (KJV)
They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

John 8:36 (KJV)
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Romans 8:2 (KJV)
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Look how Charles VIII relates to the 8th book 2nd cycle of the Biblewheel, Amos (8th Prophetic book from Isaiah):

Charles (VIII) died in 1498 after accidentally striking his head on the lintel of a door at the Château d'Amboise, his place of birth. 


Amos 9:1 (KJV)
I saw the Lord standing upon the altar: and he said, Smite the lintel of the door, that the posts may shake: and cut them in the head, all of them; and I will slay the last of them with the sword: he that fleeth of them shall not flee away, and he that escapeth of them shall not be delivered.

By Robert Breaker:


He has some interesting theories on how the 7 Churches represent the 7 Church periods the sequentially dominated the last 2000 years.

I want to point out though that Roman Catholicism didn’t start with Constantine the Great. The seat of Satan isn’t in Thyatira but in Pergamos. 

Revelation 2:12-13 (KJV) 

12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; 

13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, [even] where Satan's seat [is]: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas [was] my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

The word catholic (church) means general or universal (church) and orthodox means traditional. But when it is branded as Roman Catholic Church or Eastern Orthodox Church (as well as the many Protestant/Evangelical denominations) it has become an institution or a company.

And these 7 churches within the 7 cities of Asia Minor are the 7 institutions against whom the Apostle John wrote his letter.

It is interesting that Robert breaker mentioned the 10 days of persecution in Smyrna related to either the 10 days (as he says but based on my research 10 years) of persecution until Constantine’s edict of Milan in 313AD which leads to the rise of the era of the Church of Pergamos (meaning perverted marriage). Or the 10 days of persecution may also relate to the 10 periods or Ceasars who persecuted the Christians.

It is also interesting that John Wycliffe was considered to be the morning star of Reformation from the 14th century. 

As well as those who overcame the at the end of the middle and dark ages they gained their independence from the Roman Catholic Church and the ability to govern their kingdoms as promised in verse 27. 

Revelation 2:26-28 (KJV) 

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 

28 And I will give him the morning star.



Also he mentioned the name of the city of Asia Minor Philadelphia (brotherly love) also is the name of the city in the United States of America where the declaration of independence is signed and the period was a time of evangelism and the modern missionary movements.

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